Well, I don't agree that webcasting doesn't add extra cost; it still requires time (minor editing if video, or "wrapping" is required)... but otherwise, I think you nailed it!
@Laurent I agree, although if you have a wireless connection and a webcam you can definitely have Ustream at almost no cost!
@DrWright Thanks
Whitney Hoffman
· 1 year ago
I also have problems with the webcasting thing. To get a whole event like Podcamp online, requires organizing a group of people who want to do nothing but film the live event for those players at home. (Side note: Since the bandwidth needed to stream live can crash the wifi for people actually participating in the conference, the wifi ustream option also causes hassles for organizers).
Live Streaming is also time intensive- to try to organize having people stream the rooms live all day, and we've found few people wanting to commit to that, since they want to experience the event itself. We had a hard enough time at one podcamp to get people to commit to checking dedicated audio recorders for batteries and time left on the SD cards, let alone film all the sessions live.
I suspect it while it's convenient for many at home, it also provides an excuse not to attend in person. If there's a cost to the event, the home players get to stay home and get content for free, which is not exactly fair for everyone else- so I bet it's unlikely that many pro-conferences, or SXSW for example, will be using Ustream in an organized manner for all its content any time soon.
Now, all of that said, I have tuned into sessions from Podcamp Ohio, Startup Camp, and Indyhall events from my home, especially when I haven't been able to go because of child care issues. I do love it when I can access events I can't get to otherwise, but I also realize I am missing out on the most important part of the event- the face to face meeting and hanging out with my peers.
So I agree- there's plenty of ways to make events, especially tech oriented events more interactive and fun, in advance as well as during the event. But sometimes, event planners are making choices about where to spend the most valuable and scarce resource- volunteer manpower- on making the engine of the conference run, and the concerns of those attending outweigh the needs of the publicity/community building/people who may have attended but decided not to for time/money/personal reasons.
What do you think?
Can you achieve the same impact but recording sessions for later - podcast or video podcast? We've had suprisingly few people actually go back and watch/listen to old Podcamp sessions, so demand seems slim unless perhaps it's in real time.
I guess I would want a little more proof of demand/impact before dedicating scarce resources to make this happen.
I am sure tech events in general require a dedicated solution for that. As in fact the wifi network is heavily loaded you definitely need an optimized solution.
In regard of the live vs. online presence you addressed both perfectly. I would add to that the local component.
Events are meant to be local (I know it's my opinion).
barcamps specifically nailed it in that sense. Traveling to attend should be limited and discouraged.
There are at least two good reasons for that: - Increasing transportation costs due to the oil crisis - Carbon footprint offsetting
In conclusion, I'd definitely support more small events with simple ustream in different locations than one big event.
Although I am aware that it is not always possible in a commercial context, that is were barcamps are heading with discrete success.
Maybe a new model is coming up for the industry where the question 'Who's coming?' will be replaced by 'Who will connect to the event?'
david gandrud
· 1 year ago
I am leading the web 2.0 for my division. You provide a solid, basic overview....I will certainly encourage my team to visit this posting.
Julius, I agree those are the right Web 2.0 components to implement. What you suggest is exactly what is sweeping through the high-tech conferences already, and I bet the other fields will follow. I believe it is a matter of time, a balance between the attendees growing expectations, and the organizers gaining experience with the cost/revenue model.
I see why you're saying live webcasting can be cheap, but I don't think you will go very far if you do not invest in it. For example, recording an audio podcast can be cheap, but if the speaker shows slides or is doing a computer demonstration, this is probably useless. It should be no wonder that nobody is listening to it. Doing a webcast of a presentation, and manually moving the camera back and forth between the speaker and a washed-out projector screen is not watchable either. It can be fun to do, but if you start charging for online access (which can be a great idea), or setting expectations it will be available online, there is a high risk of frustrating the online audience and making the whole project useless.
One reaction to your "Events are meant to be local". I also like very much local events, they're the best! Unfortunately, in many specialized fields, you need to hear and meet experts, and often they aren't too many of them. You cannot ask them to speak at too many local events, otherwise that would be their full-time job, and they would definitely loose their expertise. Showing their presentation online helps scale their reach, and the value of the conference itself. But it does not replace meeting the person face to face, and the networking part of a conference.
My bet is that people will attend just as many conferences in person than before, because there will be still at least 365 days a year in the future, and the desire to meet people and network. But people will probably start watching many additional ones online. You know, the ones we feel the itch to go, but we don't because it takes to much time away or overall money (plane, hotel...). And over time, people will probably pick which conferences they go to according to what they've seen online the year before.
I believe it is not a zero-sum game, but that it will actually expand the market.
Julius
· 1 year ago
Thanks for the comment Thierry. I feel like endorsing your perspective.
I think only time will tell and with the fast improvements in technology as for example holograms displayed by Telstra most of our speculations could be swept away in few years.
Nonetheless I am really enjoying this conversation!
Jonathan
· 1 year ago
Summed up in simple adjectives, Web 2.0 is bigger, faster, and more efficient. A dressed up manifestation of Moore's law. So Web 2.0 is merely a stage in a continuing evolution. This evolution to me says, "Don't skimp on interactivity and multimedia for the web". I remember when I started out developing for the web and one of the most repeated rules was "make sure users don't have to scroll down to see your content". These days that rule begs the question, "what kind of screen resolutions are we dealing with here". Interactivity is what drives us at eventorb. A very insightful post. Thanks.
Julius
· 1 year ago
Hey Jonathan,
thanks for your comment!
Julius
Laurent LaSalle
· 1 year ago
Anyways, for PodCamp Montréal we're doing the maximum in order to respect your set of rules (which are spot on IMO). We could have done more thought for the latest point, in term of suggesting carpooling, etc.
But our idea was to minimize the paper usage by not producing flyers to promote the event; we'll probably think of something for the schedule as well, make it smaller, or to encourage people to go straight on our blog with their iPhones / iPod / Blackberry...
I guess you can always improve, as for carpooling, sometimes I am surprised how event managers ignore the very basics though.
Taking care of recycling, e.g is sometimes completely ignored.
All the best and let us know how it goes!
Svetlana
· 1 year ago
Hi, Julius! I have to say that enjoy this post, especially all the interaction here and the head-pic's eloquent :-) Totally agree with you that technologies have changed the PR & EM. All what you list above - invaluable help for the "next generation" Event. And if it changes the approach it'll change results! More interaction -> more efficiency! Look at PodCamp Mtl dot org, where I was redirected from (and where cannot be this year, because of the locality), - I find this conference very advanced. Thank to webcasting I can follow many events like this around the world. Especially like the last point - alot to think about. Thanks, I stick with it
Julius
· 1 year ago
Hey Svetlana,
Podcamp Montreal and Laurent made a great use of this post and soon I'll be replying to them!
Thanks for your comment!
julius
mike ashworth
· 1 year ago
I believe that if there are issues with webcasting the whole event you should cherry-pick a handful of those presentations that people will find stimulating and post only those.
For instance I can't get to events in the US because I live in the UK and it would be prohibitively expensive, however I do not assume that the whole event would be webcasted either. Just a few key bits is enough for me.
Interestingly the green thing is something I look for however many organisers overlook it. Event attendees should begin to expect and be vocal about event organisers recognising this and vote with our feet if necessary.
Mike Ashworth Marketing Coach and Consultant Brighton and Hove, Sussex, UK
Ashton - Iphone
· 12 months ago
Hi Julius! I also don't agree that webcasting doesn't add extra cost; and it really requires time. But I have to say that enjoy this review, particulary all the interaction here. I absolutly agree with you that new technologies have changed the web and PR. All what you cite - priceless help for the your readers) Thanks a lot!
tojulius
· 12 months ago
Sure,
thanks for your precious comment, keep in mind that ustream.tv allows you to do rudimentary streaming at no cost. If you need a larger webcasting infrastructure, you will possibly have budget for that.
I think it's a matter of requirements! Julius
rebeccahappy
· 5 months ago
You seem to have covered it all. Recently I am seeing huge events form big trainers being offered totally as a virtual experience. I don't think they are even having a physical place. It will be interesting to see how successful they make this. I did have the opportunity to attend Changecamp.ca and they did their best to have it all accessible live via twitter, blog and videobots...not a live steam however.It was all volunteer based. Having live steam and people on the streets would have pushed the inclusion further for interaction. I will certainly passing this info along. Tahnks
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Live Streaming is also time intensive- to try to organize having people stream the rooms live all day, and we've found few people wanting to commit to that, since they want to experience the event itself. We had a hard enough time at one podcamp to get people to commit to checking dedicated audio recorders for batteries and time left on the SD cards, let alone film all the sessions live.
I suspect it while it's convenient for many at home, it also provides an excuse not to attend in person. If there's a cost to the event, the home players get to stay home and get content for free, which is not exactly fair for everyone else- so I bet it's unlikely that many pro-conferences, or SXSW for example, will be using Ustream in an organized manner for all its content any time soon.
Now, all of that said, I have tuned into sessions from Podcamp Ohio, Startup Camp, and Indyhall events from my home, especially when I haven't been able to go because of child care issues. I do love it when I can access events I can't get to otherwise, but I also realize I am missing out on the most important part of the event- the face to face meeting and hanging out with my peers.
So I agree- there's plenty of ways to make events, especially tech oriented events more interactive and fun, in advance as well as during the event. But sometimes, event planners are making choices about where to spend the most valuable and scarce resource- volunteer manpower- on making the engine of the conference run, and the concerns of those attending outweigh the needs of the publicity/community building/people who may have attended but decided not to for time/money/personal reasons.
What do you think?
Can you achieve the same impact but recording sessions for later - podcast or video podcast? We've had suprisingly few people actually go back and watch/listen to old Podcamp sessions, so demand seems slim unless perhaps it's in real time.
I guess I would want a little more proof of demand/impact before dedicating scarce resources to make this happen.
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thanks for your stimulating perspective.
I am sure tech events in general require a dedicated solution for that. As in fact the wifi network is heavily loaded you definitely need an optimized solution.
In regard of the live vs. online presence you addressed both perfectly. I would add to that the local component.
Events are meant to be local (I know it's my opinion).
barcamps specifically nailed it in that sense. Traveling to attend should be limited and discouraged.
There are at least two good reasons for that:
- Increasing transportation costs due to the oil crisis
- Carbon footprint offsetting
In conclusion, I'd definitely support more small events with simple ustream in different locations than one big event.
Although I am aware that it is not always possible in a commercial context, that is were barcamps are heading with discrete success.
Maybe a new model is coming up for the industry where the question 'Who's coming?' will be replaced by 'Who will connect to the event?'
Thanks,
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I see why you're saying live webcasting can be cheap, but I don't think you will go very far if you do not invest in it. For example, recording an audio podcast can be cheap, but if the speaker shows slides or is doing a computer demonstration, this is probably useless. It should be no wonder that nobody is listening to it. Doing a webcast of a presentation, and manually moving the camera back and forth between the speaker and a washed-out projector screen is not watchable either. It can be fun to do, but if you start charging for online access (which can be a great idea), or setting expectations it will be available online, there is a high risk of frustrating the online audience and making the whole project useless.
One reaction to your "Events are meant to be local". I also like very much local events, they're the best! Unfortunately, in many specialized fields, you need to hear and meet experts, and often they aren't too many of them. You cannot ask them to speak at too many local events, otherwise that would be their full-time job, and they would definitely loose their expertise. Showing their presentation online helps scale their reach, and the value of the conference itself. But it does not replace meeting the person face to face, and the networking part of a conference.
My bet is that people will attend just as many conferences in person than before, because there will be still at least 365 days a year in the future, and the desire to meet people and network. But people will probably start watching many additional ones online. You know, the ones we feel the itch to go, but we don't because it takes to much time away or overall money (plane, hotel...). And over time, people will probably pick which conferences they go to according to what they've seen online the year before.
I believe it is not a zero-sum game, but that it will actually expand the market.
I think only time will tell and with the fast improvements in technology as for example holograms displayed by Telstra most of our speculations could be swept away in few years.
Nonetheless I am really enjoying this conversation!
thanks for your comment!
Julius
But our idea was to minimize the paper usage by not producing flyers to promote the event; we'll probably think of something for the schedule as well, make it smaller, or to encourage people to go straight on our blog with their iPhones / iPod / Blackberry...
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you did a great job for PodCamp Montreal.
I guess you can always improve, as for carpooling, sometimes I am surprised how event managers ignore the very basics though.
Taking care of recycling, e.g is sometimes completely ignored.
All the best and let us know how it goes!
I have to say that enjoy this post, especially all the interaction here and the head-pic's eloquent :-)
Totally agree with you that technologies have changed the PR & EM. All what you list above - invaluable help for the "next generation" Event. And if it changes the approach it'll change results! More interaction -> more efficiency!
Look at PodCamp Mtl dot org, where I was redirected from (and where cannot be this year, because of the locality), - I find this conference very advanced. Thank to webcasting I can follow many events like this around the world.
Especially like the last point - alot to think about.
Thanks, I stick with it
Podcamp Montreal and Laurent made a great use of this post and soon I'll be replying to them!
Thanks for your comment!
julius
For instance I can't get to events in the US because I live in the UK and it would be prohibitively expensive, however I do not assume that the whole event would be webcasted either. Just a few key bits is enough for me.
Interestingly the green thing is something I look for however many organisers overlook it. Event attendees should begin to expect and be vocal about event organisers recognising this and vote with our feet if necessary.
Mike Ashworth
Marketing Coach and Consultant
Brighton and Hove, Sussex, UK
I also don't agree that webcasting doesn't add extra cost; and it really requires time.
But I have to say that enjoy this review, particulary all the interaction here.
I absolutly agree with you that new technologies have changed the web and PR. All what you cite - priceless help for the your readers)
Thanks a lot!
thanks for your precious comment, keep in mind that ustream.tv allows you to do rudimentary streaming at no cost. If you need a larger webcasting infrastructure, you will possibly have budget for that.
I think it's a matter of requirements!
Julius
I did have the opportunity to attend Changecamp.ca and they did their best to have it all accessible live via twitter, blog and videobots...not a live steam however.It was all volunteer based. Having live steam and people on the streets would have pushed the inclusion further for interaction.
I will certainly passing this info along. Tahnks